REEL Life Adventures in Movies: Frodo’s Challenges - Reveals Challenges in Your Soul’s Mission – Part II with Guest Chrisit Anne Holder, LMBT | EP 021

Dr. Judith Holder: 00:00:06

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Dr. Judith Holder: 00:01:00

We're back to talk about this next phase of Frodo life as you're moving into book three, and the soul evolution and how, you know, we can go on different paths, in some ways, and his friends around him are going on different paths, as well. But for Frodo, you know, he's getting to the point. And where we left off was he was counting, feeling the weight of this ring of this mission that he had. And I'd like to take it from there.

Christi-Anne Holder: 00:01:27

Well, Frodo realizes that he's he's, he's doing this mission. But he realizes that that's changing. And he has a best friend, which is Sam, and the other two have have gone off on their own mission. Now it's just too it's just Sam and Frodo. And, and Sam is helping Frodo to accomplish this. A little bit about Sam, this is Sam is is is protos best friend. He was charged by Gandel. To protect Frodo never to leave him. Okay. Stick with them no matter what. Be there. Because Gandalf knows that Frodo is going to need assistance. So Sam tells him, I will I promise to do this, I will stay with him. Okay. Sam, Charles, Sam and Frodo getting along really, really great. They're enjoying each other in the first book. They're moving forward. I mean, the for the having a good time. But then they realize because none of them are that sharp. And the further away they get from a Shire is like, where are we going in this is getting a little scary. They don't know. They are becoming homesick. They, they're, they're missing their home, because the outside world is so different from what they know. Now, Frodo and Sam, and the two others are hobbits. They're only what three foot tall. Okay, everything else around them is huge compared to their heights. So when you're always looking up at everything, you don't know how you can't see over the next hill or over the next rise, because it's totally, so you have a chi that rise to see who's on the other side, which made it very difficult for them to keep moving, but they act. And basically, the three of them kept moving and get into where there needs to be. Book Two, they kind of separate because the four become nine. Okay, which is in the first book, The Fellowship of the brains, that becomes nine that you have a dwarf you have an LP of a human. And then you also have the four of them. And then you had one other, actually two humans. So it becomes nine, and they're making their way through the woods because the others they're taught so they can help them to get over the rises over the hills and over the mountains and find other ways because there's no they don't know that they can go left instead of right. Which makes it really, really nice until they decide to take a journey through the doors homeless. Now the doors say, you can go we'd go underground. We don't have to go underground, because that's where I live. Everybody knows. So the doors are the best. We can we have Beautiful, you know, they'll welcome us with open arms, they know how to treat guests. And they will help us to get through, instead of going over the mountain, we can go through them. So they decided to do that. But when they get inside of a known home, or there's worse home is not what he said it was. It's actually destroyed because the ring tears all know, though, and knows where they go. So the darkness has already gotten. So you have the darkness that so now they have to steal, they can't go back, they gotta go forward. So they have to come through the doors territory, to get to the other side. Which it makes it very, very well. And there's a deal in there that they didn't know about. So they're trying to hurry as helpful as possible. And again, it's like, we gotta be quiet. We got quiet, we can't wake him anything up. We got to be quiet. But again, the human side, this is one of life's ALA. That is curious. So he goes around looking at everything. Nobody's touching him. Except for the human. I mean, the he's a he's a he's a hobbit. But he represents the humans. Well, you told me the fiscal people physical, sorry. Oh, yes, physical side. And he's curious. So he sees a sword that is attached to a hair that he wants to look in and become more aware. Now, the thing is, you don't touch him. He doesn't listen, it touches. So when he touches something, it falls down the well. clattering making a lot of noise, and wakes up a demon. So now they have to get through the other side very quickly. How do we do it? How do we get there? Because now you have the pockets, of course that are after. And they're running. And then the plate is crumbling as they're moving through. What I'm trying to say is this is where, where the soul I failed. This part of the dark night of the soul is it's it's trying to get through that. That darkness it kind of grew. And Gandalf with his staff, it's their light. And they get to a point. Whereas the demon now shows up, comes up up on the ground. And everybody looks at causes as tornadoes like, oh my gosh, what the heck? And how do we get around this thing? Gandel as is that says, run, run as fast as you can. To the demon. He says thus far, you know, YOU SHALL NOT PASS talking to the demon, YOU SHALL NOT PASS and he throws his staff down. And that's demons jacks. But it also cracks where he stayed. So Frodo is now seeing his mentor, or his shield, thought

Dr. Judith Holder: 00:08:43

in terms of his guardian, his guardian,

Christi-Anne Holder: 00:08:46

guardian angel. Photo doesn't know what to do. What do I do? Where do I go? How do I do this? He's, I mean, Gandalf is the one to tell me how to do this. Now he had now go to has to rely on himself has to do this.

Dr. Judith Holder: 00:09:07

So that reminds me when you're talking about that, it's it's bringing up the notion that at some point in time, based on decisions that people make and around you impacts you, but also in terms of that friend touching the sword or whatever, and making the client greeneries but also obedience, you know, to what is being requested of UDP to do and that we all have things that we know we're more obedient about and other things that we may be less obedient about. And we have to have that solver to mint to have a sense of that. But also you're talking about that sometimes even those that are spiritually or physically helping us you know, we are gonna have to do it on our own for a period of time until another door opens up to bring them back or bringing someone else back into our lives to continue to support us. So, as we're leaving on our spiritual path,

Christi-Anne Holder: 00:10:03

so basically, that's Book One, Book Two, Book Three, Frodo. Yeah,

Dr. Judith Holder: 00:10:09

but you were talking about what happened to Frodo. So Frodo, Gandalf falls, and then three other

Christi-Anne Holder: 00:10:17

the other, the others picked her up the human, which is also a protector picks her up, and there's only kind of runs with him and helps him to get out in through to the other side.

Dr. Judith Holder: 00:10:31

Okay, so it's like the passing a baton in some ways. Gandalf what happened unexpectedly happened to him. Then there was someone else, which is the human which has to showed up, to help him to move into this unknown world that he's has to navigate through, to kind of move to the other

Christi-Anne Holder: 00:10:50

side and keep him moving. Because now at this point, Ronan wants to give up. And he says, You can't give up. You got to keep going. Yeah, okay. We can't, we can't stay here. We can't sit here. I know, you're grieving. But you got to get up, we got to move. And it gets them up, and it gets them going. Okay, and by doing that, but then he also loses the human, because the human has to now fight the courts, because the folks are now aware, and they're coming after them. So Brolin decides he can't rely on anyone else. He has to do this on his own. So he pushes off, and it starts off on his own. And Sam, Sam, Sam is on the shoreline, and boulders in the boat. And Sam says, Frodo, no, you can't leave me. I promised Gandalf, I would not leave, don't make me break my promise. Now, Sam is walking in the water, Sam can't swim. Okay, but he's gonna have to throw it out and say, I'm coming. Don't leave me, I'm coming to the point where it's gonna literally have to pull him out of the water. Because phantom woods. Last thing on the shore, sometimes shows you the

Dr. Judith Holder: 00:12:06

third or when a person makes a commitment. You know, and there's individuals that may be within our lives. And think about it for yourselves. Those listening now have those people who have made a commitment to support and help us in the best way that we can, as we're trying to move forward with what, however, our mission is moving, because they really want to help. And who are those people in our lives that have been consistently there for us that we really need to get praise and appreciation to? Because that is as part of their mission? In some ways bands mission was making sure he was supportive character, or playing a supporting role in his mission in terms of photo. Yes. Right. So then again, on the boat,

Christi-Anne Holder: 00:12:51

so I'm on the boat. Yeah. So they're on to the other side. And they off, they're off to to get this ring back to where it was sports. And that's two, three, basically, is Sam trying to make sure that Broto has the energy and the strength to get to keep moving. But you can see photos, slowing down, slowing down, slowing down, and it gets when it gets to the mouth. gets to it about where the horse racing from says I can't I can't do it. I just I can't because they have to climb. They have to climb along the way. And they're like I said, they're very tiny habits. And it's like, I'm so tired. I can't do this. I can't do this. And Sam says, I can't carry the ring. I can carry you. And he picks Frodo up and carries about. Okay. So that's how Frodo gets to the point of caring or getting assistance to achieve that. That goal. But then when he gets there, he's up to now he's at about, he's over his over the volcano, a post upon the ring out of his pocket. And so Sam was behind them. And all Frodo had to do is drop the ring. And Sam was saying, Frodo just drop it. Just drop it. Just drop it and then that's when the photo makes the decision. No, it's my is my precious. I want to keep it okay. After all of that. He doesn't want to do it.

Dr. Judith Holder: 00:14:47

So when he gets more and more fatigued, tired, it isn't that it takes more and more over him because he can't defend himself. We sometimes this issue around the soul too. and it gets tired. And we have to protect ourselves encouraged. And that was what Sam was doing is encouraging him, you know, taking him up the mountain and then saying let it go, let it go let the burden go that Yeah, right, let it go. And but the other thought that I had we are saying that was one around this magnetic energy that happens with the darkness and like, it's like a magnet and filings, you know, it kind of gets stronger and stronger. And the final is go to that magnet and hold on to it. And that we have to be aware of, yes, this is not like the queen, the elf Queen did. She was aware, no, this is not me. This is not me. And I choose not to accept it. And what you said, she said in the end, I pass my test, I passed my initiation. And we all have initiations and tests are given to us on a daily, weekly, monthly, yearly, decade basis, that are happening to us. And they're always asking us, alright, pass the test, we will give you more light if you're passing that test. And that's what the soul is. And the soul wants to get back to the source of his mighty I Am Presence. So the outline, or whatever you want to call that source. We always want to get back to that, because that is our sense of completeness, and wholeness. But this is a story of what happens to many souls all you know ourselves in some ways based on the choices that we make. And the possessiveness, because with this darkness, put it on him was a possessiveness, that of desire of this would make me powerful, or this will give me something, fill in the blank,

Christi-Anne Holder: 00:16:39

right? Yes. Is that exactly. Because there's another character that actually saves. In that was that was stable, because Spiegel is the one who had the ring before ProDOS uncle fix vehicle, at one point was a habit. And he had the ring for so long that he lived, it literally changed him. But he's been following Frodo through this whole scenario, to the point as follows seeing yourself in Spiegel and them telling him, don't trust them, don't trust him because he wants to rain, don't trust Frodo and trust his people, and bypassing?

Dr. Judith Holder: 00:17:31

What has that happened? But

Christi-Anne Holder: 00:17:32

do you think that relates to because So Sam, Sam is problems? Conscience also? Okay, Spiegel is already flip to the dark side, and speak in on it desires, desires. So there's two parts. Okay, that's how the ring has changed it, it splits legal, you have the human side, and you have the dark side, and they're constantly talking to each other. And the dark sides of people saying I can't you know, I'm the one who's protected, you know, this belongs to us and is ours. And, and they stole it from us and this and that, whatever. And, and you can't trust Brodo you got to get the ring back, you got to get the ring back. And Spiegel is doing everything he can to bring back but probably doesn't give up. So until it gets to the edge of the mountain where he's supposed to drop it in. And he's holding it out. That's a little Spiegel jumps on him and literally bites his finger up take the ring off. But Spiegel along with the ring ends up in in the volcano. So that darkness Spiegel is gone. But the darkness celebrate as well. Now photo is released was produce exhausted. Okay, his his his his soul has been. He's depleted. He's really depleted. And he'll come the eagles that take Chad, I've seen them as angels that pick up portfolio because the wind when they dropped the ring in, everything starts to blow up around them, and they think they're gonna die. And I think the Eagles come and pick them up in their talents because they're so tiny. And I'd save them as angels that are carrying them back through all the mayhem back to the other side. But it comes to the end of the third book is that the now the elves mostly the they're passing the torch on to the humans, and I'll have to leave because it's their time. The Middle Earth is changing. And it's their time they only stay for a certain amount of time and they're changing. So they As they're leaving, they look at promo, photos looking at the trends. And they're saying, you know, what's going on processes, I must leave, I can't say, because basically, his soul is so depleted, that he has to go the elves to rejuvenate. And the elves are the ones which have helped him. And then he bet, basically, that he needs to be re energized, his soul needs to be re energized, because that ring took out of almost all the goodness. But the goodness of the fact that he got he accomplished his mission, I think gave him a dispensation to be allowed to go the house.

Dr. Judith Holder: 00:20:51

Yeah, and that's really powerful. Because we give it our all, and in the process of giving our all, it may affect us in terms our sole development, and he may feel like, you know, we're almost done, we are opera spent, you know, so to speak. And in that sadness, is, because we did our best, that got us to rest this and got get the rest by having these eagles, which are guardians, or what was the word you use, AJ, to be able to take them and then move them into a healing phase. Because the soul can be rejuvenated, because it did its best, and fulfill this mission. So it has that capacity now, to rejuvenate itself. And God gives that grace, you know, to the soul to continue to evolve and grow. But there was something you said to before that I thought was really fascinating, that what depleted the soul was this battle between the human and the darkness, and this dialogue that you were talking about going on between the human and the darkness, in each taking a piece of the energy of that soul, you know, so to speak, and making it now depleted, because it's in the middle, having to you know, no less, and someone has to defend that soul. And Gandalf was doing it in some ways before and, and even Sam was doing it, and helping, but at some point to the soul has to do it for themselves and garner that strength, and have to really take dominion, or have mastery over this human and darkness, you know, and we've got to be able to make the right choices and say, No, I'm not going to choose the human. No, I'm gonna gonna choose the darkness, I'm going to choose the mission, and I'm going to choose what's best for so my soul evolution. And even if that depletes me, we don't realize God's Viper has our back. And having our back, we have now because we completed that mission, the next level that we weren't even aware of, it's like the trampoline, I was talking about in one of the episodes, you know, we have the trampoline, and we're bouncing, and we realize we go to the upper level, and we realize there's something else that God wants for us. Or it's like the core, the being the cork and water, you know that we have to just flow because we just don't have any more energy. But then, you know, we have this next stage in which God is there to help us to take the cord, put it to the shore, and then help it to move forward with the angels are our other individuals that heals support and guidance. That's really powerful. Yes. So is there any last words you want to say? And as we went, in this episode,

Christi-Anne Holder: 00:23:34

I will recommend this movie to those who have not seen it. And even if we have seen it, see it again, but see it with fresh eyes? Because Tolkien has a lot of keys and a lot of knowledge in that movie. Yes, it's kind of hard to watch sometimes. But if you look and listen, and bypass the visual, you'll see where he has to say it, how profound it is, and how it's connected to the soul.

Dr. Judith Holder: 00:24:03

And we only just talked about a lot of I'll be talking about Tolkien sees me about photo, but we didn't even talk about Sam and his great capacity beats exporting. I mean, we talked a little bit about this segment being less important element into us. And it's really, you know, as you've been sharing it with me, because I've seen segments of this, and I thought it'd be great to have, you know, to talk a lot about that soul evolution is and I really thank you for coming on and giving kind of your perspective about this, as we're continuing to evolve and think about what this relates to to our soul. And how do we have different situations in our life that are draining us or helping us or kind of neutral, not doing either in a green hour helping us but we need to need to be more observant and more aware that every experience that comes our way is trying to teach us something You know, every experience that's coming our way is helping us to know that there's some choices that we have to make. And the beautiful thing about it all is is that we can always improve, you know that we didn't do it right. Or we didn't feel like we did it right the first time or the second time or the third time, but we all have the fourth, fifth and sixth time to continue to evolve and grow, because that's what we're on this planet to do. So thank you. We're in at this point in time. Take care.